Asset Management & Recovery: Another Way Into REO - Or Maybe I am Wrong

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Another Way Into REO - Or Maybe I am Wrong

I have gotten a lot of emails lately from AR members even though I have not been posting much.  Maybe I am burned out a little.  Who knows?

The emails have been questions "how to" and "where to go".  I am glad to help if I can.

I don't know what advice I can give to the general question of "how can I get started in REO" other than to think about Nike.  Just Do It.

Look on the internet and start registering on websites to become a vendor.  The main ones as far as I am concerned are http://www.reonetwork.com/  and http://www.reotrans.com/.  Be willing to do BPO work.  If you ask me, things like Titanium Solutions are a waste of time.  That's just me.  There are others with a different opinion.    

Truth is though that everyone is chasing the same banana.  The ever elusive national loan servicer !!!  If it were me, and it is me isn't it? 

Reminds me of a line in Full Metal Jacket....."Is that you John Wayne, is this me..."

......I'd chase the guy that nobody is chasing, the commercial loan workout guy at your local bank.  They are a member of the community and you can drive to see them.  To these people, I am a professional.  They see what I do in the community.  They know the people I know and have respect for people that have respect for my work.  They know my attorney, my accountant, my banker and my friends.  They see me at hockey games with my family and walking down the street.  I run into them at the mall.  With these prospects, I probably have instant credibility. They see my signs and "have heard of" me before.  I am not a number.  My list of A prospects is 460, but only about 10 are national servicers.  Over 90% of my effort is spent on these relationships and less than 10% spent on chasing the national guys. 

I would also suggest that you find a mentor and work with them.  Maybe find a team to work with.  The reason for this is that one can not possibly learn everything there is to know overnight.  AR is a good place to read and learn too.

Whatever you decide to do, team, no team, self taught or seminars, you need to hunker down and get in the game.

Are you going to screw up a little?  Yep.  It happens.  Is that error going to teach you something?  Yep.

I've been doing this for over 10 years and still make a mistake now and then.  It happens.  You recover and move on.

Here are a few of the things I have learned.  They sound simple, but took me a little while to figure out.

•·        Use combo lockboxes, not electronic.  Buy them online from http://www.bargainlocks.com/ cheaper than from http://www.nuset.com/.  They are $10+/- vs. $80 +/- for electronic.  Also, sometimes other non-realtor vendors will need access.  They don't have lockbox keypads.

•·        Use http://www.showings.com/ to set showings and keep track of who is going in and out.  This costs about $10 for the life of the listing.  This means that for $20 +/- you get the lockbox on, tracking of showings and easier access vs. $80 on an electronic.  On your fist listing you have a net increase in revenue of $60.

•·        Use basic coroplast signs instead of the fancy ones you use for retail type listings.  These cost about $3-$4 each vs. $20 each when you buy 100.  Also consider your frame costs at about $17 each.  The best price I found was through Jim at http://www.decals-oem.com/.  If you do a lot of inner city properties, frames get stolen for the metal value, believe it or not.

•·        Think about what your time is worth too.  If your material costs into the house is $13 you may not even care about abandoning the material after the sale, especially if you have something more profitable to do.

•·        Buy comfortable shoes that are water resistant and have thicker soles.  You don't want to step on glass or a nail.  I like the hiking shoes from Timberland.  They will go with work clothes as well as khaki pants.  Great prices on these can usually be found at Target or DSW.

•·        Get good vendors.  This, like client building, is something you will find over time.  Price is important, but so is service.  Remember how your clients work with you because of trust?  Utilizing a vendor only due to price will cost more.  How so?  It takes a few minutes to hire a trusted vendor vs. the efforts related to finding the best price and then hoping that the guy does good work.  You may also need to spend time checking on the work and supervising the vendor.  This takes time and costs you money.  Also, a vendor that knows you are loyal will give you a deal on price and put you ahead of others.

•·        Spend time building lists of buyers even if you don't work the buyer side.  In REO there is a lot of "investor" property.  Knowing who buys what and where helps you and your client.

Ok.  I'm done for now.

R

 

Do you have questions about distressed assets, receivership or bankruptcy sales, auctions?  Email me at rfk@gryphonusa.com and I'll try to answer it in an upcoming post.

Richard F. Kruse is the President of Columbus, Ohio based Gryphon USA, Ltd. (www.gryphonusa.com).  The Gryphon Organization includes Gryphon Asset Management providing receivership and consulting services in the distressed marketplace, United Country Gryphon Realty & Auction Group (www.ucohiorealty.com & www.ucohioauctions.com) providing real estate brokerage and auction services throughout Ohio and OnlineAuctionUSA.com (www.onlineauctionusa.com) providing commercial asset liquidations from the Midwest to East Coast. 

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23 commentsRich Kruse • October 27 2007 09:53AM

Comments

Have to add - have good tracking systems. Quickbooks is great for financials and rentmanager is great for property management. If all else fails, learn to use an excel spreadsheet. Know what you have, what it needs and how much you spent.
Posted by Melissa Kruse (Gryphon ) over 2 years ago
Love the blog the only thing I disagree with you about is the lock box. Electronic ones give us a record of whose key has been used and can be used as a tool to follow up and ask for feedback. I feel that a combo box creates a risk of someone you do not want getting the combo
Posted by Charlie- All Mountain Realty over 2 years ago

Charlie - The only way to get the code is from the showing service and they won't give it out to non-licensees.  I suppose it is possible that someone could get it, but the crackheads are not that smart.  The showing service, for $10 a unit, sends out feedback responses, sets showings and provides tracking.

Also, at the peak of times, we are carrying upwards of 100 properties.  On average it is 40.  That means $4800 in lockboxes sitting on a shelf?

Posted by Rich Kruse (Gryphon USA, Ltd.) over 2 years ago
Rich, you also forgot to mention that many local real estate investors are agents but don't want to incur the cost of the electronic lockbox key since the only properties they are dealing with are their own possible purchases. The combo-lockboxes make it easier for these potential buyers to view the property.
Posted by Melissa Kruse (Gryphon ) over 2 years ago
True that...
Posted by Rich Kruse (Gryphon USA, Ltd.) over 2 years ago

Nice blog, Rich. I, too, get a lot of those emails. I have been writing back with lists and how to's, stuff that it took me quite awhile to research. Now I'll just include a link to your post:) 

I would also mention, from a womens' point of view, carry something with you or bring someone when you go into neighborhoods that are known for violence.

Posted by Karen Hurst ~ Principal Broker ~ Warwick ~ Rhode Island (Stonehurst Realty) over 2 years ago
Thanks Karen.  From a mans point of view, carry something.  I am on my way to a $1,000,000 vacant and bringing a "friend".  Last week Tanning Bed Barbie threatened to shoot me.  It's a crazy world and people with financial problems are unpredictable. 
Posted by Rich Kruse (Gryphon USA, Ltd.) over 2 years ago
Excellent blog and tips. Thank you for the money saving times.
Posted by Nancy Moeller (Seven Gables Real Estate) over 2 years ago

Rich-  I like the suggestion on the lockboxes.... I've found that so many different people need to get in and out of those listings...  usually without a lockbox key, that I waste an incredible amount of energy programming one day codes and giving out instructions on how to use them.

Also- you bring up a good point with the shoes.  I guess most guys wouldn't have this problem, but I learned a long time ago NOT to wear open-toed shoes, at least.  Something a lot sturdier than dress shoes is really important. 

Posted by Chico CA Real Estate by Sandi Bauman, Chico CA Realtor (Chico Homes Real Estate) over 2 years ago
Great blog. Seems like it has worked well for you.
Posted by Keith Cook (RE/MAX Whatcom County, Inc.) over 2 years ago
Thanks for the great advice!  I really do enjoy reading your blogs.
Posted by Nick Good www.TheGoodHomeTeam.com (The Good Home Team with Keller Williams Realty) over 2 years ago

Rich,

Thanks for the tips. I've been trying to get into the REO market and this really helps

Thanks again 

Posted by Tony Reyes (RE/MAX Professionals South) over 2 years ago
Rich--I doubt I'll ever enter into the REO arena, but I do have a question...why do the banks want you to have capital reserves? I assume it's because you'll be ordering and paying for repairs and then be reimbursed? 
Posted by Amanda Hall * FORT WORTH TEXAS Real Estate Broker * (Hall Team Homes ) over 2 years ago
Thanks for the tips as well as the links.  Its hard to get into the REO side of the business.  Not all BPO's lead to REO's and just because your names on a list doesn't mean your going to get a listing.  It took me years of research for BPO's as well as learning the ropes to get into the REO side.  Research is your best best for anyone wanting to get into that side of the business. It will pay off eventually.
Posted by Corinne Shepard (Keller Williams) over 2 years ago

The best reason I have for cobo boxes are Field Asset personell and repairmen. They need quick easy access

Gret info for the new guys, add flea spray and a hat

Posted by Paul Moye, Broker, ABR, GRI, SRES, SFR (Benchmark Realty) over 2 years ago
Rich -- Thanks for letting me know about the 5 star conference.  I will be checking it out in 08'
Posted by Nick Good www.TheGoodHomeTeam.com (The Good Home Team with Keller Williams Realty) over 2 years ago

Rich,

You the man!  Great insight!!  GO BUCKS!!! 


Posted by Rick Turner (Key Realty) over 2 years ago
I have bookmarked this blog for future reference.
Posted by Anthony Saunchez~ Fontana & Inland Empire Real Estate (Summit Realty Group) over 2 years ago

Great post Rich...thanks for sharing.

I agree with your advice...just do it... it is not easy or quick....you just have to do it

Posted by Eric Egeland, SFR, e-PRO, CDPE (RE/MAX SUBURBAN) about 1 year ago

Thank you for hte comments, ill look into the showing service.

 

Posted by Andrew Monaghan CRS, GRI, EPro Associate Broker (Keller Williams Professional Partners) about 1 year ago

Rich, thanks for the info. A read most of the comments leading up to yours and it's nice to read that not everyone is worried about self preservation, and wants to play "hide the banana". With over half of the 6000 homes sold each month in the Metro Phoenix area being distressed properties, there are plenty of bananas to go around.

The close the door behind me mentally is exactly why our government is so screwed up. We are all fractioned off into special interest groups with little need for the person next to us.

Thanks again, Tm

Posted by Timohty Read about 1 year ago

Just checked the showing service is not nationwide, they are not in Phoenix as yet.

 

Posted by Andrew Monaghan CRS, GRI, EPro Associate Broker (Keller Williams Professional Partners) about 1 year ago

It's not in Georgia either.

Posted by Coweta Real Estate / Vanessa Calhoun (Better Homes and Gardens Real Estate) about 1 year ago

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