Asset Management & Recovery: Commission Reductions – What’s In It For Me?

Gryphon USA, Ltd services clients through Gryphon Asset Management, Gryphon Realty Advisors and Gryphon Auction Group. Gryphon Asset Management manages operating entities and undertakes liquidation management in numerous business lines. Gryphon Realty Advisors is comprised of three divisions all working together; Residential, Commercial and Management. Projects range from single family investments and owner occupant reresentation to apartments and commercial complex disposition. Gryphon Auction Group assists clients with the sale of real property as well as commercial equipment.

Commission Reductions – What’s In It For Me?

I read a recent blog (not the first here) about negotiating commissions and fee reductions.

I am the first to admit that I have reduced fees on the back end in the past to make a deal go through.  Might I suggest, dear readers, that (a) this is not the norm and (b) you had better have a good reason for asking, other than you need to make more money on the deal on your end.

Let's say, for the sake of argument, that an agents fee might be equal to approximately $10,000 at closing.  Percentages don't make a difference here.  Let's just use cash.

As a seller, you might think that this fee is a little high.  I will briefly point out that the agent does not get the entire $10,000.  Some goes to the broker, some to his assistant, some to marketing fees, some to board dues, some to the agent on the other side.  Just like any business owner, we have overhead.

Back to the conversation.  You, as the seller, want the agent to consider taking a lower fee.  Ok.  I get that.  You want a lower price.  Life is like that.  Guess what?  I want a higher price.  After overhead, the $10,000 ain't a great payday.

A lot of people ask me what my fee is.  I like to tell them that it is more than you want to be charged, but less than I want to charge you.  It always gets a smile if the person asking the question has EVER been in sales.

Back to the conversation again.  In the event that I or anyone else would consider taking a lower cash fee, there needs to be a reason.  There needs to be upside in the deal somewhere else.  The guy that is just going to cave at the question is going to lose you money somewhere else, trust me. 

So I ask you, Mr. Seller, why should I take a reduced fee?  I'm willing to discuss it, but what else is in it for me?  What do you have to trade? 

  • Can I use your timeshare at no cost?  You might pay $250 for the week, but it would cost me $1500 for a hotel room.
  • My wife would love a mink coat and the wife you just divorced seems to have left hers in YOUR closet.
  • Do you ever drive the dusty 1972 Cutlass in your garage?  I have been looking for one to fix up.
  • How about selling me a hot tub at your dealers cost?  You are not out any money, you just don't get a profit.  We both win.
  • Is that Mr. XYZ in that picture with you?  I have been trying to get a meeting with him for 2 years.

Now I am not saying that I, or anyone else, are definitely willing to barter for commissions or even partial commissions.  My point is that there needs to be some advantage for both sides if a fee reduction is to be considered.  Agents are taught never to negotiate fees and some might even act insulted.  I think that there are more than 27 ways to skin a cat. 

That said, here is my personal disclosure.  I guarantee you that I will end up with more "value" in the "stuff" than the cash value of the decrease.  Call it New Math.

Now, I need more listings, a hot tub, an alignment on my car, a vacation, the guts of my grill rebuilt, some landscaping, my office cleaned and a bunch of other things.  Who wants to negotiate fees?

 

Do you have questions about distressed assets, receivership or bankruptcy sales, auctions?  Email me at rfk@gryphonusa.com and I'll try to answer it in an upcoming post.

Richard F. Kruse is the President of Columbus, Ohio based Gryphon USA, Ltd. (www.gryphonusa.com).  The Gryphon Organization includes Gryphon Asset Management providing receivership and consulting services in the distressed marketplace, United Country Gryphon Realty & Auction Group (www.ucohiorealty.com & www.ucohioauctions.com) providing real estate brokerage and auction services throughout Ohio and OnlineAuctionUSA.com (www.onlineauctionusa.com) providing commercial asset liquidations from the Midwest to East Coast. 

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19 commentsRich Kruse • June 03 2007 10:24AM

Comments

I'll take the mink or the sable or the silver tea set.
Posted by Melissa Kruse (Gryphon ) over 3 years ago
I'd settle for a pedicure.   There, I said it. 
Posted by Chris Elizabeth Griffith ~ Bonita Springs Fl Real Estate (Downing-Frye Realty, Bonita Springs, FL) over 3 years ago

Great post! Really.:)

Hmm. I need more listings and a new roof, some landscaping done, and a vacation.

Posted by Debi Braulik (Federal Way to Tacoma, WA) (Keller Williams Realty Federal Way) over 3 years ago

I need new golf clubs and a motorhome lot in Fla. for the winter months.

I think it's human nature to try and negotiate. I once negotiated a hood fan at Circuit City and got 50.00 off the price along with the stove I bought.  Someone said retail stores don't negotiate. Oh well, I did.

Everyone wants to win. Win Win is my motto.

Posted by Jay McGillicuddy~Real Estate Broker (Prudential Verani Realty) over 3 years ago
I like your new math...nothing wrong with that!  Oh and thanks for the line...more than you want me to charge, but less than I want to charge!  I think that will put a smile on anyone's face, previous sales or not...
Posted by House 2 Home Realty over 3 years ago

RK,

Some of our clients believe that if they take a lower price on the sale of their home than we as Realtors should take a reduced fee as well.

It always makes me chuckle..

 

Posted by Florida List For Less Realty, Inc. Broker/Owner. over 3 years ago
Rich - I actually got new gutters on my house once this way - it does work - and creates a win win situation - thank you for brining it to the forefront
Posted by Central Oregon Real Estate | Broker Thesa Chambers, Licensed in Oregon (Prudential NW Properties Sunriver) over 3 years ago

Rich,

I'd like to jump in on this, but you've done a good job and I don't have the time.

Great car for warm dry nights! Did you get it?

Bill

Posted by William J Archambault Jr (The Real Estate Investment Institute ) over 3 years ago

Thanks to all for the nice comments.

Bill - I had one at 16 and had to sell it.  I am looking to get another one.

Posted by Rich Kruse (Gryphon USA, Ltd.) over 3 years ago

Rich,

Nice way of looking at the inevitable question.  I'll remember to get creative with my answer next time somone asks.

Fran

Posted by Fran Gatti - Realtor®, CDPE®, RDCPro®, Crescent City CA Real Estate (RE/MAX Coastal Redwoods) over 3 years ago
I like it, there is even a place for it on the listing agreement here in CA.
Posted by John Evarts (Classic Property Management of Santa Clarita) over 3 years ago

Just be sure to specify it goes to you and not the broker.  What'd be the split on a '72 Cutlass?

 

- James 

Posted by James Malanowski - REO Broker - Palmdale, Lancaster, Rosamond, CA (theJEMgroup.com (DRE #01373117)) over 3 years ago

I guess it helps if you don't split with a broker.

Posted by Rich Kruse (Gryphon USA, Ltd.) over 3 years ago

I used to think that asking meant they expected to get it.  Not true.  They're just testing the waters.  The squeaky wheel gets the grease, after all.  Nothing wrong with asking.  Have your comeback line ready.

I like to tell them that it is more than you want to be charged, but less than I want to charge you.  <----love it!

Posted by Pinecrest | Coral Gables| Maggie Dokic, SFR (Prudential Florida Realty) over 3 years ago
Oh yeah! I love it!
Posted by Lisa Hill (Daytona Beach Real Estate) (Florida Property Experts) over 3 years ago

Guess it's time to get those classes finished ... 

 

- James 

Posted by James Malanowski - REO Broker - Palmdale, Lancaster, Rosamond, CA (theJEMgroup.com (DRE #01373117)) over 3 years ago
You're right!  What's in it for me because my services aren't free!
Posted by Endea Thibodeaux, CDPE, CLHMS, RECS Real Estate Auctions - DC, MD, & PA (Auction2Sell, LLC - 240-381-6653) over 3 years ago
Rich, you rock. I never have figured out a good way to respond when my buyer clients want me to cut my commission to list their rental property after one year, even when I told them it would not appreciate enough by then to cover their selling costs. Thank you!
Posted by Robin Rogers, Silverbridge Realty, San Antonio, Texas over 3 years ago

Offer the seller a NO COMMISSION agreement.  That should make the seller happy.

Yep, we do it all the time, in fact we say..."No commission, no settlement costs, and property sold in as is condition!"  Not many agents can offer that.

As auctioneers we offer that all the time.

Charles Parrish

Oh, the buyer pays those fees.  Seller love it!

Posted by Charles Parrish (Auction Brokers & Investors United) over 2 years ago

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